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RAILROADING PROTOCOL                        

 

2nd April 2004

 

The following correspondence and emails are an account of how the Beacons National Park Authority drafted, approved and then adopted the planning protocol by railroading it through committee stages, plus avoiding public consultations.

 

On the 30th of January 2004 a full meeting of the Authority (not development control or planning) resolved to adopt the planning protocol with immediate effect.

 

All the drafting and steering had been conducted in closed sessions.

The public were not involved in anyway, yet it affected them.

 

At some time after January the BBNPA put an announcement on their website which was very misleading. They said the planning protocol had been adopted when it had only been approved. This gave the public the idea that it was done and dusted. However, they invited the public to write into “public speaking” and make their comments. My emails addressing issues concerning the protocol are laid out in items 1&2 below the following letter.

 

The Chief Executive answered my emails by return. Then when I asked the critical questions of whether the protocol was approved or adopted or when the public consultations were due to end, there was complete silence from the authority.  This was March 25th 2004

 

By chance on the Ist of April I saw the BBNPA Agenda for the next days meeting. To speak at committee meetings the public have to apply 48 hours in advance. The protocol did not appear as an agenda item, but it was hidden in an enclosure amongst other items of records of previous meetings to be approved. It slipped through unnoticed. It was blatantly clear that the authority did not want myself or others discussing the protocol, as it seems they went to a number of lengths to throw us off the trail.

 

Therefore the meeting nodded through the planning protocol and most members were not aware they had adopted it , until one member Cllr Alan Baynham asked if he could debate the protocol. He was promptly told he could not because it had just been adopted. None the less he spoke out about there being no public consultations. At this point, and as the only member of the public present, I interrupted the proceedings with my protest. The rest follows.

 

 

Niel Bally

 

 

 

Subject: PUBLIC APOLOGY

Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:28:27 +0100

To: <meirion.thomas@> (Chairman)

 

Dear Chairman,

 

RE: DISTURBANCE BBNPA MEETING 2nd APRIL 2004

 

 

May I offer my sincere apologies to you and the members for my protest and disruption of the authority’s meeting last Friday and causing you to adjourn the proceedings? I hope you understand the mitigating circumstances, explained below, and my frustrations. In my opinion I feel I witnessed legislation being adopted and   railroaded through committee stages, without the public being properly consulted or notified. 

 

As you know there were a number of e-mails exchanged between myself and Mr Gledhill, regarding the Planning Protocol, starting on the 17th of March 2004.  As evidence these exchanges are set out below and you will notice the e-mails were also sent to you.  Under items B you will see that Mr Gledhill immediately answered in person to my e-mails addressed to “public speaking”. However, under Items A and in complete contrast, you will discover 4 e-mails from of the 23- 25th of March 2004 asking for straight forward public information about the protocol schedule and whether it was adopted or not. Despite personally e-mailing  “Public speaking”, Mr Gledhill, Yourself, Mr Bowles, and Angela Magee for these facts, there was never a single reply, and the protocol slipped through to adoption last Friday, when I was told by the Chief Executive that the authority was not obliged to answer emails in under 20 days.  The web site published the protocol as "adopted", but this turned out to be totally misleading. In addition to this Lisa Francis AM (Mid and West Wales) tabled five questions to the Minister Carwyn Jones concerning the timetable of the protocol and what stage/ status it was at. Copies were also sent to you.

 

Whilst I appreciate the Chief Executives prompt and substantial replies to my first two e-mails, I fail to understand why your authority declined to inform myself and others about the Protocol schedule and that it was being adopted last Friday on the April 2nd 2004. Your authority had obviously planned this well in advance, and they did not even publish this public information or the agenda on their web site. Surely this can all be perceived as a wilful withholding of public information?

 

I am sure others will now read into this episode on a number of serious levels. My main concerns are about your authority's seeming lack of  (if not proven) transparency, access to information and the public not being consulted on important matters such as legal/ legislation. Unfortunately, it seems as if your authority is openly displaying fears about engaging with its public. I know I am not alone, and I only hope your authority will see itself as going forwards into the new climate, rather than backwards.

 

My sincere apologies again for the disruption.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Niel Bally

 

Cc:   Chief Executive , BBNPA Members, AMs etc

 

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ITEMS A:

4 EMAILS ASKING THE AUTHORITY FOR THE PROTOCOL’S EXTENT STATUS & SHEDULE (23- 25th March 04)

RESULT:  NO REPLIES FROM THE AUTHORITY.

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:26:12 +0100

To: <publicspeaking@breconbeacons.org>, <chris.gledhill@ >, <eric.bowles@>

Cc: <meirion.Thomas@ >, <kirsty.Williams AM@ >, < Roger Williams MP@>, <Nicholas.Bourne AM@>, <Lord Livsey@>, <Helen-Mary.Jones AM@>, <Rhodri.Thomas AM@>, <Cllr G Jones@>

Subject:  PLANNING PROTOCOL/ Brecon Beacons NPA

 

 

Dear Sir/ Madam/ Mr Gledhill and Mr Bowles,

 

MISLEADING INFORMATION:  PROTOCOL - Adopted or not?

 

Having received prompt replies to my initial queries (below) about the content of the protocol, it now seems that the answer to my last two emails of the 23rd & 22nd March for specific information is not forthcoming.

 

More importantly and in addition to this, there is confusion about the protocol document itself and its status. Is it ADOPTED or is it at the APPROVED stage? Your web site announcements and the document say both.

 

Therefore:

 

When will it be adopted?

Or when was it adopted?

When did the public consultations begin?

Where was it announced?

Have the consultations ended?

 

I look for to your reply ASAP.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Niel Bally

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From: "Nat Parks" <national_parks_reforms@>

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:35:43 +0000

To: publicspeaking@breconbeacons.org, Chris.Gledhill@ Meirion.Thomas@, Eric.Bowles@, Jackie Charlton@

 

Subject: RE: PARKS PROTOCOL/ TABLED ASSEMBLY QUESTIONS

 

TABLED QUESTIONS FOR MINISTER CARWYN JONES   re BBNPA Planning Protocol.

ANSWERS for 31 MARCH 22004

 

Lisa Francis (Mid and West Wales); In respect of the Brecon Beacons National Park new Secondary Legislation/Planning Protocol, on what date did the Public consultation start and in what media context. (WAQ34023)

 

Lisa Francis (Mid and West Wales); When is the public consultation in

Respect of the Brecon Beacons National Park new Secondary

Legislation/Planning Protocol going to finish. (WAQ34030)

 

Lisa Francis (Mid and West Wales); if the Brecon Beacons National Park new

Secondary Legislation and Planning Protocol is awaiting adoption, what date

Will the adoption be on? (WAQ34031)

 

Lisa Francis (Mid and West Wales); In respect of the Brecon Beacons National Park new Secondary Legislation/Planning Protocol, how would members of the public submit proposals for amendments. (WAQ34025)

 

Lisa Francis (Mid and West Wales); In respect of the Brecon Beacons National Park, is the new Secondary Legislation/Planning Protocol yet approved or adopted. (WAQ34029)

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From: "Nat Parks" <national_parks_reforms@>

Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:08:41 +0000

To: publicspeaking@breconbeacons.org, Angela.Magee@, Chris.Smith@, and Meirion.Thomas@

 

Subject:

PROTOCOL/LEGISLATION/Brecon Beacons NPA Consultations?

 

FOR YOUR ATTENTION & REFERENCE

 

Dear Sir/ Madam,

 

BBNPA PUBLIC CONSULTATIONS?

 

We are writing on our behalf and for the notification of the above listed politicians whose electoral areas and constituencies crossover or adjoin the Brecon Beacons National Park. We are concerned about the new Secondary Legislation / Planning Protocol, the seeming lack of public consultations for it, and whether it has been adopted or not. We would like a chance to contact others and make some formal representations concerning its content.

 

Could you please first answer the following:

 

1.4 of the protocol document (attached) says it has been ADOPTED. A previous web page of yours said the same.  HOWEVER, the front page of the document says it was APPROVED on the 30th January 2004. Obviously there is a contradiction.

 

Is the protocol approved or adopted?

On what date did the Public Consultations start and in what media context?

Have they finished?

If the document is awaiting adoption, then what date is the adoption on?

How do we submit proposals for amendments?

We would be grateful of your reply ASAP

 

Yours faithfully NPA <national_parks_reforms@>

<http://www.nationalparksreforms.co.uk>

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From: niel.bally

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:29:42 +0100

To: <publicspeaking@breconbeacons.org>

Subject:  PROTOCOL CONSULTATION

 

Dear Sir

 

I notice you have withdrawn references to the proposed Planning Protocol from your website. Is there any reason for this?

 

Yours sincerely

 

Niel Bally

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ITEMS B. 

E-MAILS FROM TO AND FROM Chief Executive MR GLEDHILL.  

Prompt replies

(NB.  Fault:  missing ‘L’ in Chris gledhill email address, which means all messages back to him do not arrive. Therefore the CEO gets the last word) 

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on 19/3/04 8:13 am, Chris Gledhill at chris.gledhil@ wrote:

 

Dear Mr Bally

 

I thank you for your recent e-mail about our Planning Protocol.

 

The LGA advice is quite clear - a planning authority may decide to have accompanied or unaccompanied site visits. In other words it is for the planning authority to decide which sort of site visit it will adopt. Members of the public, through our Public Speaking scheme have the opportunity to speak at our Committee meetings and put their point of view across.

 

I note your comments on lobbying. You will find that many planning authorities take a stand on this issue that is similar to the Authority's. I do not agree that the provisions "could be used as an instrument to silence or neuter a member unfairly": members have the opportunity at all times to seek guidance from the Authority's monitoring officer or solicitor who will provide impartial and practical advice to members.

 

Christopher Gledhill

Chief Executive

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From: niel bally ]

Sent: 17 March 2004 15:14

To: publicspeaking@breconbeacons.org

Cc: meirion.thomas@, chris.gledhill@

Subject: PLANNING PROTOCOL

 

Sirs/Madames

 

OBJECTION TO NEW (proposed) PLANNING PROTOCOL 

OBJECTION 1

 

I object to clauses 4. 5 (bullet 3) & 4.7 (bullet 4) on the grounds that it is a departure from the official Local Government Assoc. (updated) guidelines known as “Probity in Planning” As you know this was the blue print you were working from.

 

This is a departure because your proposed protocol has eliminated the choice of having site meetings that include objectors and applicants being present.

If you read the LGA clause it was never prescriptive and says that  “such an inspection could be unaccompanied” see quote below

 

13 Committee site visit

 

13.2

Site visits consisting simply of an inspection by a viewing subcommittee, with officer assistance, is in most cases the most fair and equitable approach as between applicant and objectors; and such an inspection could be unaccompanied (i.e. without applicant and objectors) or accompanied but run on the strict lines of a planning inspector's site inspection.

 

Presumably the authority should give reasoned justification when it proposes to depart from guidelines?

 

OBJECTION 2

 

The clauses concerning “Lobbying” are too prescriptive and could be used as an instrument to silence or neuter a member unfairly.

I will reserve my final conclusion of this objection to this part of the protocol upon reading some background papers and legislation.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Niel Bally, Taflod, Wernfawr, Talgarth, Brecon LD3 ODY

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From: "Chris Gledhill" <chris.gledhil@> (fault)

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:15:52 -0000

To: "'niel bally'"

Subject: RE: OBJECTION /PLANNING PROTOCOL/ /BBNPA

 

Dear Mr Bally

 

Thank you for your response. I believe that this Authority has been given the best legal advice and that the interpretation of the LGA guidance is correct. This Planning Protocol was introduced as a result of an Ombudsman’s finding against this Authority. The protocol relates to both Members of the Authority and staff. It is based on legal advice to the Authority.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Christopher Gledhill 

Chief Executive

Brecon Beacons National Park Authority Tel 01874 620469

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From: niel bally

Sent: 19 March 2004 19:19

To: publicspeaking@ , <chris.gledhill@> , <meirion.thomas@>

Subject: OBJECTION /PLANNING PROTOCOL/ /BBNPA  (RESEND)

From: niel bally

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:31:58 +0000

To: <chris.gledhil@> (fault)

Cc: <meirion.thomas@>, <jevans@>, <williamsr@>, <nicholas.bourne@>, <livseyr@>, <national_parks_reforms>

 

Dear Mr Gledhill,

 

Thank you for your reply and opinions (below). However, I believe the issues are still about the LGA guidelines and how they have been interpreted and whether the members of your authority have been fully advised or not, as to where these proposals have derived from and for what purpose. I am sure you realise the importance of what matters when proposed legislation is being formulated - that its implications are looked at from all angles. Obviously everyone has to anticipate how it could be used for the good or be plainly abused. If there is reasonable doubt then those fears should be fully aired.

 

I will pass on your message, and see what others think of this correspondence, but for the moment I will have to say I beg to differ with you.   I still stand by my objection on "lobbying" and that the LGA guidance 13.2 does not give a prescriptive choice to choose one or the other method. The operative word in the clause is  "could". This can be interpreted as meaning  - that given the circumstances and or material considerations of a particular case - either method could be chosen. Is it the role of a protocol to pre-empt all cases and put the cart before the horse? 

 

As the authority is proposing the elimination of choice in this matter, then I believe in the interest of "openness and transparency”, the Authority should now offer clarifications   as to why this decision is necessary.  I am afraid your reply has not explained this and I feel it is of public importance that we should know and be informed.

 

You’re sincerely   

 

Niel Bally

 

PS To clarify my point in paragraph 2 of my last email. (below)

Generally speaking guidance is not designed to be prescriptive. As you say the 13.2 of the LGA guidance clearly gives authorities a choice. However, you and your authority seem to have interpreted this "choice" as being the right to make legislation in favour of one of LGA suggestion at the expense of the other. A more "fair and equitable approach”, (which the LGA document proffers in 13.2), gives authorities the choice to choose the kind of meeting for a given situation. This is quite different from your authority's proposal, which eliminates that choice before the application has even been proposed. Therefore your authority's proposal could well be seen by any reasonable minded person as "driving the cart before the horse".

 

My objection also stretches to "openness and transparency of decision making"- something your authority has pledged to uphold .I believe the public should be the witness to probity and decision making throughout the planning processes. The closed site meetings could well be used as another method for predetermining an application. Independent witnesses need to be there even if it is to observe only.